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    Default Re: A prediction gone wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by mimis View Post
    Is there a Quranic scholar who can help with this? Someone has posed to me the following from Epicurus, and I could not answer him:

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
    These are logical possibilities. People confuse logical possibilities with reality. Take the fourth question as an example of the point. If he is neither able nor willing, your right, why call him God? This wouldn't change the fact that this "God" exists... There are other logical possibilities as well.
    All statistics consist of our attempts to represent statistically what is in motion; and in the process things assume a weight in our mind which they have not in reality. For this reason a man, who by his profession is concerned with any particular aspect of life, is apt to magnify its proportions; in laying undue stress upon facts he loses his hold upon truth.
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    Default Re: A prediction gone wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ihsan View Post
    These are logical possibilities. People confuse logical possibilities with reality. Take the fourth question as an example of the point. If he is neither able nor willing, your right, why call him God? This wouldn't change the fact that this "God" exists...
    Dear Ihsan,

    Accepting your point, this means that "believers" are praying to a "god" that is either malevolent or impotent (or, of course, nonexistent). Perhaps this explains why all scientific studies have shown that intercessory prayer is entirely ineffective.

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    Default Re: A prediction gone wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by mimis View Post
    Dear Ihsan,

    Accepting your point, this means that "believers" are praying to a "god" that is either malevolent or impotent (or, of course, nonexistent). Perhaps this explains why all scientific studies have shown that intercessory prayer is entirely ineffective.
    How can you accept my point, when you failed to comprehend it?
    All statistics consist of our attempts to represent statistically what is in motion; and in the process things assume a weight in our mind which they have not in reality. For this reason a man, who by his profession is concerned with any particular aspect of life, is apt to magnify its proportions; in laying undue stress upon facts he loses his hold upon truth.
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