Who are women whom your right hand possess

[naderM]

Are you saying you deny the Hadiths ?

im not denying anything, im doing exactly what Allah told me to do by following the best hadith divinely protected till the end of times.

39:23"Allah has revealed the best HADITH, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and (as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him".

and concerning the various hearsay hadith and traditions, again im doing exactly what Allah told me to do by using my brains (ulu-l Albab means “those who have brains”) and reflecting over them, following only the best and discarding anything that contradicts the Quran or common sense in the slightest

39:18"Those who listen to the word (qawl or saying), then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding (ulu-l Albab)".

[sumuque]

What you meant with Best Divinely protected Hadiths ? You wanna say you only follow Quran and that is it ? You don't belief what was written in Sahi Bukhari/Muslim etc ?

Sure in order to avoid problems one can simply reject half of the Islamic history, very easy and clean. However you are not even following Quran properly ! You are doing things which are not mentioned in Quran rather in Hadiths, lets give you an example, you know Allah order you to pray only two or three times in Quran ? Why are you offering prayers then five times ? Where is this information in Quran, the so called divinely protected Hadith ?

"33:42 and praise Him morning and evening."

"30:17 So glory be to Allah when ye enter the night and when ye enter the morning"

"17:78 Observe prayer at sunset, till the first darkening of the night, and the daybreak reading - for the daybreak reading hath its witnesses"

For you who strictly follow the Best divinely protected Haditsh, these are pretty clear words ? so why you are offering five prayers ?

About your injections on

39:18"Those who listen to the word (qawl or saying), then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding (ulu-l Albab)"

who made you think that he was talking about you ? May be its other way round, who knows.

My dear NaderM, the matter of Right Hand possess is very clear from the Islamic History, I gave you couple of Hadiths in which Muhammad was clearly sanctioning the use of illegal sexual conduct of His companions, you read clearly they were all slave captives from war, all they were worry, how to act sexually ? I understand your reasons for dismissing these Haditsh, they give you a bad feeling about Muhammad and his conducts, but yet you are not ready to reject the Idea that it may well been be truth. You wanted to find a way out so you decided to dismiss Hadiths. Very convincing indeed !

What you have done is all Muslim apologist usually do, they invent all the new meanings of verses which suits them. You like me to belief that Right Hand possession does not mean slaves, rather ones who are under your oaths ? You may not be aware of the Quranic language then, many places Allah used strange and confusing language, but you have to see the logic and the time of these verses and society these things were revealed, Muhammad was born in Jahiliya and Jahiliya custom was full of fairy tales and slavery and things like these. What kind of concept I should find in 7th CE, will I am going to see Slavery and people owned by rich, or your theory of So called honorable people under so called Oath ?

Lets put your theory in a simple Quranic test, lets assume what you said in your interpretation was correct, it mean every thing what was mentioned in Quran is literal and we have to be literal in while translating Quranic verses, would you then kindly expalin me following fairy tale from Quran ?

"27:82 And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs."

Now I am using your logic strictly here and I hope you will be doing justice while explaining the the above mentioned verse ? Allah will produce a Beast from the Earth ? which will going to talk/speak with Humans ? in future ? we have not see any sort of incident yet so I am guessing it will going to happened in future ? Please use your strict logic here and explain us the above.

Peace

[naderM]

keep dancing around the night fire like a red indian. the fact is, you stepped into unknown territory and thought you could inject some doubts but you quickly got overwhelmed.
this is gonna be my last post to you, if you dont bring each and every verse i quoted in my original post and prove them wrong using other verses from the Quran or using the arabic language to counter my claim regarding the clear contextual, and LITERAL meaning of ma malakat aymanikum as those whom your OATHS possess.

[sumuque]

"keep dancing around the night fire like a red indian. the fact is, you stepped into unknown territory and thought you could inject some doubts but you quickly got overwhelmed"

Hahahahaha........ sure I will keep doing this.. Thanks for you tip. For your other accusations that I got "overwhelmed".. I have to disappoint you one more time, you just have to look on your silly statements you made and associated with Quran and with Allah. He may not be very happy with you. The matter of fact is that your "Tafsir" is just one among Millions of Tafsirs spreaded around. One Brick Mosque..

"this is gonna be my last post to you, if you dont bring each and every verse i quoted in my original post and prove them wrong using other verses from the Quran or using the arabic language to counter my claim regarding the clear contextual, and LITERAL meaning of ma malakat aymanikum as those whom your OATHS possess"

Dear NaderM this is the most wise decision you have made so far, I fully agree with you, its beyond your comprehension so better stay off. I am amazed with the level of intelligence and wisdom you showed in just one small paragraph, wonderful and I really appreciated. However for others, who are just keen to know what just happened please read the theory Mr. NaderM brought up that Quran should be translated literally in order to understand it. He forgot though that Allah himself made his life difficult in 3:7 where he said that part of Quran will never be understood by people.. and some of the Quran is literal and some of its "Metaphorical" !!

But please do pay attention to the verses quoted and try to use Mr. NaderM's theory a valid chance, try to find literal meanings of each and every thing presented in Quran, may your Allah be with you.