The sad fact is that no religion, not even christianity maligns jews as much as islam

[DocW]

Salaam bro

[B](2:191) AND FIGHT in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression - for, verily, God does not love aggressors. (191) And slay them wherever you may come upon them, and drive them away from where they drove you away for oppression is even worst than killing!

And fight- in the way of God- those, who fight you [to prevent you from Hajj] and do not transgress in this regard. [Remember that] God does not like those, who transgress [His limits]. And slay them, wherever you find them and turn them out [of the sacred city of Mekkah] from where they had turned you out. Indeed persecution is even worse than killing. And do not fight them in the vicinity of the Sacred Mosque, till they start fighting you there. Then, if they start fighting you there, then fight them back. This is the punishment of such rejecters; but if they desist [from their rejection], then God is indeed forgiving, merciful. And continue fighting them till there is no more persecution and God's religion reigns supreme [in this land]. Nevertheless, if they desist [from their rejection, then no action shall be taken against them], for action is not to be taken except against the unjust. (2: 190 - 193)

Most humbly these verses entail specific directive in a specific period of time. This does not mean that whenever and where ever we see a non Muslim we slay him. These verses are specifically related to the prophet of God and after completion of itmam ul hujjah .It is not a general directive.



I kick you out of your house and kill all your family and then if you fight me back, i call you terrorist ? Quran is against facing Tribulations if you can fight back. There are many Verses on Jihad and yes its part of Islamic Belief and Praise be to Allah had God not given us the right to defend, the Enemies of Islam would have annihilated us long time ago.

The Islam I believe in and follow states

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And not alike are the good and the evil. Repel (evil) with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you was enmity would be as if he were a warm friend. And none are made to receive it but those who are patient, and none are made to receive it but those who have a mighty good fortune.






There are Jews who are against such Type of oppressive Regime and Government being in Control of the Holy Land, and calling itself Biblical Israel. May be they can help you explain better than i can, of what Israel of today is. Even though they are Jews they can see what, im sorry to say, people like you can't see.


Rabbi Yissachar Dov of Belz once said:

" There could be, before the arrival of Mashiach, that the Satan should succeed, and the evildoers should get a State in the Land of Israel. Their state would be a big danger for every Jew in material and spiritual matters."

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi ... /rabbe.cfm


This will be the State ruled by Dajjal the False Messiah, for it is based on Deception and Lies and is completely against the Word of God. Time will tell.

[Zees]

I see an unfair bias among Muslims towards Jews. It remains a very unfortunate aspect

The majority of the Jews of the world that is the Rabbinical Jews closely follow the Talmud which they refer to as the oral law and give preference to following it over the word of the Torah. Talmud is to the Jews as the Quran is to us since its authority supersedes that of Torah. So the apt question here is are the Jews an evil bunch as the people of the world make them out to be? One need only read the Talmud to gauge the truth. It is not a tough job really. Just Google 'Talmud' and read it. After you have read the Talmud come back to me and tell me what you make of the Jews now? Just meeting a principled Jew is not enough to gauge the truth concerning a people more research is needed. Maybe you can ask this principled gentleman to inform you of the content of Talmud. This debate concerning the Jews can easily be settled by making an unbiased study of the authoritative scripture of the Jews. So make an attempt to truly know the Jews by reading their scripture. You will meet good and bad people in every religion their personal conduct is in no way a judge of their religious tradition.

[DocW]

Salaam bro

most humbly I find a contradiction in the above quoted statement. From what you are stating I gather that Talmud may have things that are let us ay un Islamic. I have read the Old Testament and I find issues in it. But my query is that is their religion 100% wrong? and negative? You are yourself saying that there are good and bad people in every religion. so where are the good people coming from?

My question is that if the presence of the right and perfect Scripture alone is the criteria to be good or bad then what about the Muslims of today. What have they done by having the Ultimate Guidance and revelation?

In my opinion Muslims are the worst representatives of their religion as a nation.

What about the beliefs of Hindu religion and Gods for everythinga round. We can be critical on an intellectual level about their fundamental beliefs, but I still find Hindu wisdom and buddhist wisdom in their respective scriptures. I see excellent buddhist and hindu individuals. Even excellent individuals with no beliefs but quality priciples and values.

Muslims sit on the highest pedestal thinking of themselves as the untouchables and criticize every other faith and religion, but never look at themselves as a nation.

If I was born today and I had to choose a religion without access to a Divine scripture but only by seeing practical following by individuals . I would never have chosen Islam as a religion to follow.

I am living in a non Muslim country, It is a Christian country by name, and majority of the people are religious in name. I see values, principles, desire to help, hard work, predictability. All this is achieved not by religion but by adhering to their innate guidance. What do we see in Muslims with Quran in their hands?

What I find most disappointing is that I have yet to come across a Muslim who has the courage to stand by the truth and be critical of the ways and actions of Muslims in the middle East. It is always the jews who are at fault.

In my opinion what the Hamas and other fanatical wings are doing is completely un Islamic. When the Muslims were being torchered to the limit in Makkah in the times of prophet pbuh , did the prophet pbuh say to the Muslims go and kill the innocent women and children of the disbelievers or resort to suicide attacks?
His response to Yassir's family who were the first martyers for Islam was " Be steadfast family of Yassir, Allah has promised Paradise".

We cannot act as we want and claim to be true Muslims. We cannot claim to be Muslims in essance by just calling ourselves Muslims and doing what we want. I find a lot of knowledge but I see a handful of true practicing Muslims, there lies our dilemma.

[sumuque]

In my opinion Muslims are the worst representatives of their religion as a nation.

If I was born today and I had to choose a religion without access to a Divine scripture but only by seeing practical following by individuals . I would never have chosen Islam as a religion to follow.

I am not trying to take you out of context, but I must say.. How ironic !!

[DocW]

I am not trying to take you out of context, but I must say.. How ironic !!

My issue is not with Islam the religion which I believe i to be the only complete truth and Divine religion, albeit, I have an issue with the ones who profess to be Muslims today, most of them.

[sumuque]

My issue is not with Islam the religion which I believe i to be the only complete truth and Divine religion, albeit, I have an issue with the ones who profess to be Muslims today, most of them.

so you agree its entirely Muslims own fault if they are to be criticized in public and in Media !!

[DocW]

The issue is not Muslims of today but is Islam the correct and true Divine religion. The first part is irrelevant either way if your answer to the second part is no.

[sumuque]

The issue is not Muslims of today but is Islam the correct and true Divine religion. The first part is irrelevant either way if your answer to the second part is no.

So is Islam correct and true Divine religion ? if yes then based on what evidence ?

[Yahya Sulaiman]

sumuque, I've already given you the evidence repeatedly and you have ignored it each time. Get out of our faces.

As for all the rest of this thread, apparently a lot of people need something explained to them: there is truly no such thing as Israel, that's true, but there's no such thing as Palestine either, or Spain, or America, or Chile, or Burkina frickin' Faso. Countries are purely imaginary constructs that do not exist outside of the human mind. They have no basis in pure physical fact, and little geographic basis. They "exist" only insofar as that we agree that they do. It's a result of humanity's pathetic territorial instincts, which lowers us to the level of a dog urinating on a bush and subsequently barking at and biting every intruder who dares approach "their" bush. None of it belongs to any of us. Everything is God's. It's like two fleas fighting each other to the death for the right to declare the back of the dog they're on their own. And were Israel to be won back, it would just lead to the other side trying to win it back themselves. Territorial war (and to a lesser extent, usually war itself) is a neverending vicious circle of killing. Everyone always thinks they're bringing peace by slaughtering a few thousand more people when all they're doing is stoking the fires even more (indeed, politicians never even utter the word "peace" except when rallying people to war--when they hear their leaders say that word, they know the you-know-what has hit the fan and it's just killing, killing, killing till the cows come home) The Middle East itself is a standing example of that. And they just want more and more of it. And they brainwash people in other regions into agreeing, because all they need to do is promote bigotry of an entire religion and an entire foreign nation halfway across the world to stir people into the hateful frame of mind they need. Because the one truest principle regarding human nature is that people everywhere can so easily be brainwashed by their societies that it's a joke. It's awful.

Have a nice day.